Hello and welcome to "Cold-Pressed Conversations (tm)." I'm Dr. Jewel, your host, and today in Episode #07, we're joined by the remarkable Dr. David Bilstrom, a physician with expertise in autoimmune diseases and a deep understanding of the body's microbiome and its effects on our health.
We'll dive into the origins of gut health, how maternal factors and vitamin D levels shape our well-being, and explore the profound implications of traits like epigenetics and gut flora on conditions ranging from schizophrenia to type one diabetes.
Beyond the science, Dr. Bilstrom shares his passion for extreme sports and the healing power of nature, revealing how these elements integrate into his broader vision for wellness.
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Speaker 1: I've been an extreme snowboarder for about 30 years.
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Are you serious?
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Top of the mountain as steep as possible, and so I love being
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outdoors.
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We actually teach people clinically how to use nature to
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help heal, Because there's all these scientific articles about
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how nature helps human health and well-being.
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So we actually treat people how to access nature, whether
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they're in a big city can't even get out of their apartment,
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local park.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to Cold Press Conversations with Dr
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Jewel White-Williams, a lover of numbers, lists and a good
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Innately you teach Innately, you research and that's what gives
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you the best practice.
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And that's why I was definitely excited to have you join in,
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because one of the things that I read within your biography
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which we're getting ready to talk about in just a second you
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focus on functional medicine.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I just want to say I am Dr Jewel
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White-Williams.
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I have a doctorate in health science from the University of
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Bridgeport very proudly and I have focused on the clinician
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side as well as the education, the higher education side.
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I also have a master's in education leadership.
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I have Dr Billstrom here.
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He is a fellow of the American Academy of Integrative Medicine
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and American Academy of Medical Acupuncture, as well as an
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advanced fellow in anti-aging, regenerative and functional
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medicine.
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Dr David Bilstrom is a quadruple board certified in
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functional and regenerative medicine, integrative medicine,
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physical medicine and rehabilitation and medical
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acupuncture.
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Dr Bilstrom is the director of the International Autoimmune
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Institute and the Bingham Memorial Center for Functional
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Medicine, the first medical center in the country associated
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with a teaching hospital to treat all types of autoimmune
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diseases.
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It is also the first to use nature and its ability to
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improve human health and well-being as an integral part
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of a wellness program.
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Dr Billstrom, once again.
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Thank you so much for joining me here on Cold Press
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Conversations and I believe we're going to have a fun time
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today.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: No problem, you know, earlier we were having just a
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slight discussion so that we can kind of get used to just the
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rhythm of who you and I are, and we talked about how you really
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and truly focus clinically on teaching people how to access
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nature.
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And as an active snowboarder which we'll get into later we
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know that functional medicine is different from conventional
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medicine treatments for autoimmune disease.
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Can you elaborate how your approach is different?
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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So functional medicine ideally identifies why somebody has the
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health issue they do.
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And if we know why somebody has a health issue or why somebody
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might end up with a health issue , know why somebody has a health
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issue or why somebody might end up with a health issue, we're
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in a position to prevent it from happening in the first place or
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reverse the whole process in general.
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And then, because we took care of the why they have whatever
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they have currently, we've set them in a good position so they
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don't keep playing that.
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Why keep pushing them in the wrong direction as time goes on
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and get a second thing and a third thing and a fourth thing
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and a fifth thing, more traditional allopathic medicine,
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a lot of times is taking care of a symptom or two of a
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particular health issue with a medicine, but that medicine
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doesn't necessarily and rarely actually gets a Y.
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they got in the first place and then the Y keeps pushing them
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and now they need a second medicine, or a third and a
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fourth, and they all come with side effects.
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You start getting drug-drug interactions, adverse drug-drug
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interactions, and so ideally, we're in a position really to
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reverse chronic health issues that people may think that
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they're.
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Well, this is what I'm going to have forever.
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Well, not necessarily.
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We can actually have your body reverse the process.
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Speaker 2: You were discussing looking at I always like calling
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it the superficial surface.
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It's like looking at the skin.
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You know how we have the several layers of the skin.
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You're trying to diagnose exactly what's actually
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transpiring with that patient.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in our world in general, we tend to
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make prevention look very complicated but also, at the
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exact same time, very vague.
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And so somebody will say, well, you know, I see this in my
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family and my parents, grandparents, you know, I see
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this in my community, I see this in friends.
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Well, I'd rather not have this, get this, whatever this health
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issue is, how can I prevent from getting these health issues?
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And oh, you need to change how you eat and you need to exercise
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.
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Well, that sounds very vague but very complicated.
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Like, well, what kind of change in exercise, what kind of
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change in food?
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And you know all this where, if you really know the language
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the body speaks, it doesn't have to be hard to prevent things.
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The body is so smart.
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If you can make sure you kind of give it what it needs and
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kind of take away what it doesn't need, it really is in a
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position.
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That's what it does.
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It stays healthy, it resets things, it fixes things, it
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rebalances things, and so a good example I use is a very big
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central mechanism in health, in ill health, is vitamin D levels,
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and ideally it's a simple blood test you can do anywhere, it's
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not complicated, and we want a vitamin D level on a blood test
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between 70 and 90.
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Now most people are very low.
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It's really hard for humans to make vitamin D from sun exposure
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.
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Nowadays.
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Most people think, well, I get it from the sun.
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But lifeguards in San Diego are in the mid 40s.
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They're like 40 points lower than they should be.
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The darker your skin tone, the harder it is to make vitamin D.
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And so many people are under 20 , even single digits.
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It's terrible, but if a woman gets her vitamin D above 60, she
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has automatically decreased her risk of ever getting breast
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cancer by 82%.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, you're talking that scientific data stuff.
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I'm a geek, I'm loving it.
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Go for it.
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Speaker 1: And if a woman's vitamin D is above 50 during
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pregnancy still far from where it should be she's automatically
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decreased the risk of her child ever getting multiple sclerosis
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by 50%.
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Cut in half.
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We'd have 100 less cases of multiple sclerosis every week in
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the US if women just got their vitamin D level above 50 during
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pregnancy.
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A fantastic study out of Northern Finland where they took
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every child born in Northern Finland in 1966.
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And they said okay, we're going to follow you guys for 31 years
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, but for the first year we want half of you guys to take 2
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IU per day first year of life in infants, and the other half we
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don't care what you do, we're going to follow you.
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Well, they saw an almost 90% decreased risk of type 1
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diabetes simply by giving 2 IU per day the first year of
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life, doesn't matter what they did after the first year.
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But this is where we really like to teach people how to prevent
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stuff, including prevention really starts even before
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conceiving a child during a pregnancy.
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Hey, we can.
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You know, 50% decreased risk of MS just by getting your vitamin
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D up a little bit and first year of life.
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Oh my gosh, that set the system well and what they saw was that
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these kids that got the vitamin D first year of life.
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They didn't end up getting schizophrenia.
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It's so great for brain health, not just immune health, but
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they didn't end up getting schizophrenia either.
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And it's like, oh my goodness, with all the brain stuff we have
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going on nowadays and the autoimmune stuff we have going
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on nowadays, just doing a few things early in life can set the
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system for the rest of that person's life.
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But because we know so much of this stuff, even if somebody's
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got a well-established chronic health issue, we're in a
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position to reverse it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you just gave a lot of gems here.
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Pardon, I'm Jules, so I kind of use that word.
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Speaker 1: I like that.
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You gave a lot of gems.
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Speaker 2: So when I read some more of your biography, you
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mentioned the importance of resetting your epigenetics
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before the age of 19 to prevent these chronic diseases.
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And what you've just done is given us some true gems, talking
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about scientific data.
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And I'm going to just repeat it , and I want you to correct me
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if I'm wrong, because I want people to understand that what
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you're talking about has to be done first with a professional,
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someone who understands functional medicine you have to
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look at, or the other physician needs to look at all of your
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levels.
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You just can't go out there and go to the local drug store and
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get your vitamin D.
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But you were telling us some serious information the vitamin
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D levels must be between 70 and 90.
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Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: That's optimal.
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Now, if you have Parkinson's, you probably need to be above
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100.
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If you have cardiovascular disease you've already had a
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heart attack and stroke you probably need to be above 95.
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But the research out there says we probably need to be above 75
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in general to cover all the bases as well as we possibly can
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, even though even getting the levels up higher than they would
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be without it, like just getting above 60, well, you're
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not optimal, but you've already decreased breast cancer risk by
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82%, so a little bit can go a long way, but you're right, if
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it gets optimal, that's when we cover all the bases as best we
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can.
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There's a few more gems, I think, in that one too.
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Speaker 2: It was?
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How'd you know?
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I just see it in my face.
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So this is what I have from you , dr Billstrom.
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You talk about the different types of diseases that from just
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vitamin D alone.
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We haven't even got to the other amazing information that
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you've given us.
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But, if I'm correct, you mentioned brain health.
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You talked about the psychotic episodes that some people have
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because of psychological issues.
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You discussed type one diabetes , breast cancer.
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Cardiovascular Vitamin D plays a role in so many areas of our
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body makeup.
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Is that the only vitamin that you tend to focus on when you're
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looking at resetting the epigenetics of an individual?
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Speaker 1: Well, if you get at the real big central mechanisms,
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the body has a tendency to fix a lot of things all by itself.
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A patient may come in to see me with chronic health issues.
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They've done so much homework.
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They've read, they've listened to people talk.
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They come in with like 50 different supplements and I can
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look at their 50 different supplements and I'm like boy,
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this person has really done their homework.
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Every one of the things that they're on makes perfect sense,
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given what they have going on, but what they're missing is the
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central mechanism.
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They still can't get where they need to go, even though
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everything they're doing is logical, makes sense
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scientifically.
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So this is where we talk.
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If you can really get these central mechanisms though we
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talk about seven central mechanisms then your body
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basically kind of fixes everything else, and so vitamin
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D is very important.
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I referenced my respect for the researchers at University of
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Illinois, chicago, because they do some really neat stuff,
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including the ones that figured out about vitamin D receptors,
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and so one of the things that makes vitamin D so important is
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every cell in our body has receptors for vitamin D, so it
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can attach and tell the cell what to do, basically, just like
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every cell in the body has receptors for insulin, so the
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pancreas makes insulin attaches to the cells so that we can
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control blood sugar.
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But people are quite familiar with insulin resistance.
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Where the receptor become resistant, insulin can't attach.
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It's almost like you don't even have insulin.
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Then you start going to prediabetes diabetes.
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Well, it turns out the vitamin D receptors in the gut are even
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more numerous than vitamin D receptors anywhere else in the
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body.
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And the researchers go oh my goodness, this is why vitamin D
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is so important for the gut.
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There's more vitamin D receptors in the gut than
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anyplace else.
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But these vitamin D receptors become resistant to vitamin D
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and this is where you can have all the vitamin D in the world,
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just like all the insulin in the world.
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It can't attach and do the work .
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Well, this is a super central mechanism for not only gut
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health but everything, and so when you can fix that vitamin D
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receptor resistance in the gut, make it sensitive again.
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The original researchers in 2018 from University of Illinois,
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chicago, said oh my gosh, this is what you want to fix in order
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to turn around all autoimmune disease of the gut, ulcerative
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colitis, crohn's disease, get rid of recurrent H pylori and C
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diff infections of the gut.
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But, oh my goodness, this looks like exactly what you probably
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want to do for everything.
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And they named off all these things.
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Well then, six months later, another article came out.
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They go, oh my goodness, you fixed the gut by fixing the
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vitamin D receptor resistance.
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It is a nuclear weapon against metabolic syndrome.
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Quote, unquote on the title nuclear insulin and blood sugar,
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abnormal weight gain, triglycerides going up and two
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thirdsthirds of Americans are pre-diabetic.
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Here's a nuclear weapon against it.
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Well, all this research since 2018 is like, oh my goodness, it
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does work for this, this and this.
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And so you mentioned brain health before.
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So, like two years ago, harvard Journal of Psychiatry came out
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and go well, if you can fix the intestinal microbiome this way,
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the mix of the good, bad bugs in the gut.
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And I'm like, oh my goodness, that's what happens when you fix
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the vitamin D receptor resistance.
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They say, oh, you can use this to major depressive disorder.
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It works so much for brain chemistry.
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And then another psychiatric journal six months later goes,
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oh well, if you can fix the intestinal microbiome this way,
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I go, oh, that's the same thing.
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It changes personalities.
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People become more outgoing and more social.
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It has such this impact on brain chemistry.
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So it turns out this is a really big mechanism having the right
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amount of vitamin D, but having vitamin D receptors that are
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sensitive including you mentioned epigenetics, including
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you mentioned epigenetics and we have a lot of bad genes in
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our cells.
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We got to turn them off.
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A lot of good genes we got to turn on.
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So it's not what genes you have necessarily, it's which ones
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get turned on and turned off, and so things like you know,
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meditation, yoga, getting out nature, uh, deep breathing,
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repetitive prayer it works through epigenetics.
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It flips genes on and off.
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Harvard did a lovely study about 16 years ago about that.
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But we talk about things like oh, we have this epidemic of
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young people, but also adults now, with type 1 diabetes.
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Well, there's genes that may predispose people to type one
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diabetes.
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Yeah, okay, but how do you turn them off, right?
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Well, it turns out vitamin D attaches to vitamin D receptors.
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Vitamin D receptors release a protein called vitamin D.
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Responsive elements that attach to the receptors on the genes
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that code for type one diabetes turns them all off.
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Receptors on the genes that code for type 1 diabetes turns
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them all off.
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Every gene that codes for type 1 diabetes gets turned off by
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vitamin D and vitamin D receptor health.
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This is why they call these genes that code for type 1
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diabetes, vitamin D responsive genes.
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And I'm like, oh my gosh, what a central mechanism, not only
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for the things that you see in a lot of you know studies about
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health, but we're like, oh my goodness, this is working
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through genes.
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This is turning off the genes that try to push us the wrong
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direction.
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Including type 1 diabetes used to be considered well, that's
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childhood diabetes.
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Adults get insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes but now so many
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adults' pancreases stop making insulin.
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They actually need insulin.
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Oh my goodness, we can actually shut those genes off and do so
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many things when we kind of know how the body's language works
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and this epigenetics, how to flip off the bad and turn on the
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good.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, okay, yeah.
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So you mentioned several studies that have assisted you
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in this process to ensure that you're meeting the needs of your
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patients, and you mentioned a study from Harvard that piqued
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my interest because it sounds like you also use some of the
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tools that they speak of with treating your patients?
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Did I hear you correctly?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and this is where the researchers are
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doing such beautiful work, but it doesn't really get into the
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clinical setting as much as they should.
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So the Harvard research over 16 years ago, there was two
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previous studies the second one was in India that suggested that
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meditation might work through epigenetics, flipping off the
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bad genes, turning on the good genes, which basically is how
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you want to, you know, prevent or reverse any chronic health
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issue.
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Right, because when the genes are flipped the wrong way, the
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genes, the DNA, are telling the cells the wrong information and
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then cells start doing the wrong thing.
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You start flipping them the right way.
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Well, it's happening in the entire body, every cell in the
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body at the same time.
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Speaker 2: So now the cells are being told the right information
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.
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Speaker 1: So this is why it can impact so many things.
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So Harvard said well, that's interesting, we're going to do
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the quintessential study to see if this is true.
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So we're going to take our best research, the very best
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researcher at Harvard, to get on this.
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So they took this large group of people that have been in some
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kind of relaxation, something meditation, deep breathing,
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progressive muscle relaxation, visual imagery, repetitive
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prayer you know all these kinds of things every day for between
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three and 28 years.
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Took this other group that had never done this stuff and they
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checked their epigenetics.
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Well, what they found between the two groups is that there was
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2000 genes that were turned on and off differently between the
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two groups, 2 genes expressed differently between
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the two groups, and they go oh, this is fascinating.
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So now what we're going to do is teach this group that never
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done this stuff.
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We're going to teach them how to meditate and we're going to
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ask them to meditate for 30 minutes a day, five days a week
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for eight weeks, and then we're going to retest them.
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Speaker 2: Eight weeks later they retested them.
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Speaker 1: Well, human nature being what it is, here's Harvard
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, top researcher, top research area.
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They can't get people to do it right.
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So they said we just need you for eight weeks to do 30 minutes
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five days a week On average.
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The people did it 15 minutes three times a week.
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So I always kind of tell my patients who am I to expect you
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to do exactly what I ask you to do?
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Harvard can't do that, even for eight weeks.
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But that's okay, the body's so smart, we don't need perfection.
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So what they found is, with just this little bit of meditation
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for eight weeks, they retested the new meditators, those 2
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genes that were expressed additionally between the two
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groups.
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Now 400 in the new meditators had flipped to match the
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long-term meditators.
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And they go oh, that's fascinating.
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What do those 400 genes do?
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They code for inflammation.
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And Harvard says oh, my goodness, this is what you need
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to do if you're going to keep away the inflammation that
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drives chronic health issues.
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This is exactly what you want to do for everything.
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And they named off cardiovascular depression,
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anxiety, autoimmune cancer, all this kind of stuff.
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Because this truly is what you need to do if you're going to
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stay healthy is just optimize epigenetics and truly, the body
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is so smart.
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Here they only did it for eight weeks.
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For me, I'm like, well, I knew this was going to turn out this
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way, because I've seen it done with other sort of interventions
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, so why would meditation do this way?
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But I thought the main thing was it only took them eight
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weeks.
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It's not like you got to do this stuff for like eight years
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and they only did it for 15 minutes three times a week.
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You don't need to be perfect.
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The body is so smart.
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You give it a little bit, oh my gosh, does it just run with it
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and it impacts everything at the same time.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow, all right, so this meditation is through
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Harvard, even though they were focusing on 30 minutes, five
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days, eight weeks.
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All of us know who focus on research.
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Unfortunately, there are some variables that actually don't go
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all the way we like it to go, and so it ended up being that,
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when they reviewed the information, people were doing
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closer to 15 minutes three times a week, and it affected the
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epigenetics assisted 400 of the genes focusing on the
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inflammation.
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That helped correct it, helped with inflammation, which, when
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you named some of the areas that it affected, which involved
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inflammation, it hit some of that metabolic part too, the
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metabolic syndrome.
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Loving this, okay, told you I'm a geek, I'm a research.
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Then what also came to be is that you started talking about
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the gut health, and when you mentioned gut health, it brought
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up so many things.
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When we talk about gut health, we have prebiotics, probiotics.
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If I could just steal away a little bit of your time, do you
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mind helping us understand how, when you talked about the
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epigenetics, metabolic syndrome, vitamin D, is there any way
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that that relates to how you elaborate on your statement
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dealing with aches and pains of aging, where you make it very
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clear you shouldn't have any aches, you shouldn't have any
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pain until you're 90.
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Am I correct?
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Speaker 1: That's correct.
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Speaker 2: Everything you've mentioned literally focuses on
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and correlates with aches, pains that people are having and,
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ladies and gentlemen, Dr Bilstrom is letting us know that
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we shouldn't have any aches and pains until we're at the age of
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90.
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How does that even work?
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Like is what you're talking about?
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Literally help with acquiring the aches and pains only until
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you get 90?
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Speaker 1: You want to remember, every health issue comes from
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the same thing.
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It just shows up differently in different people, and so the
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bigger statement, I think, is nothing is age-related until at
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least 90.
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If you have a health issue, health challenge, and you're not
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90, you're younger than 90, it's not age.
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Even though people kind of think this, I get people in
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their 20s with all these health issues.
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I think I'm getting old.
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Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, no, no, no.
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That's not how it works.
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Speaker 1: You're in the 20s, but I get people in their 50s
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and 70s that say the same thing.
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I'm like, no, that's not how it works.
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We know so so much about human longevity nowadays that truly
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people should be able to live happy, healthy lives until at
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least 90.
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Now the data suggests it might even be later than that.
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But we've kind of historically said, well, if you've got some
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health issue before 90, it's something, it's coming from
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someplace, but it's not age.
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But we should be able to figure it out and turn it around.
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So the same thing with aches and pains could be brain fog, it
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could be metabolic syndrome, it could be gut issues, it could be
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skin issues, it could be eye issues.
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You know all this kind of stuff .
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Cardiovascular disease, it's all.
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Inflammation Just depends on where your weak spot tends to be
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and that's where your inflammation is going to create
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a chronic health issue.
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And the gut is such a central mechanism with all this stuff,
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including what they call the intestinal microbiome, that
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makes the good bad bugs in the gut.
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We want a lot of good, not a lot of bad.
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So that's where you kind of talk about prebiotics and
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probiotics.
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The probiotics are basically good bacteria that we could take
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orally to try to build up our good as we're trying to get rid
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of the bad, and the intestinal microbiome is the first one that
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people really start paying attention to.
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But what's important to know is that every body part we have has
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its own unique microbiome.
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The palm of our dominant hand has a different microbiome than
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the palm of our non-dominant hand.
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Back of the hand, palm, elbow crease.
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The intestinal microbiome actually starts developing
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before a child's born.
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We used to think the child, when they're born, has a child's
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born.
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We used to think the child, when they're born, has a sterile
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gut.
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But actually good or bad bugs cross from the mother to the
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placenta, across the placenta to the baby even before birth.
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They're starting to set up the intestinal microbiome even
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before birth.
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Now, within about a couple of weeks, there's a thousand new
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ideally good bugs that now have populated the baby's gut.
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So really quickly it builds, but it's already there from the
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beginning.
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This is where vaginal delivery is better than C-section
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delivery.
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This is where breastfeeding is better than formula feeding
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because it really gets the microbiome going but it really
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forms quite quickly.
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But every body part has its own microbiome and that body part is
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not going to be as healthy if that microbiome is disrupted.
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And so one of the things that makes the gut so important you
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want to have a good mix in the gut, but that'll keep the gut
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healthy and it won't develop what they call leaky gut, which
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is more technically, an intestinal permeability disorder
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.
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So there's these tight junctions in the wall of the gut
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that only let some things in but not other things.
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So they would let in vitamins and minerals, they would let in
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nutrients.
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They're not going to let bad bugs from the gut through the
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wall into the bloodstream.
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You know you have bad bugs that get kind of crap that needs to
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be pooped in the toilet.
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Well, it shouldn't get through the leaky gut in the bloodstream
00:26:10
.
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But there's certain viruses, for example, like adenoviruses,
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and these adenoviruses with a leaky gut can translocate from
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the intestine through the leakiness in the bloodstream and
00:26:22
go to different body parts.
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Then they're starting to talk a lot about these intestinal
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microbiome, breast access, for example, or intestinal
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microbiome, pancreatic beta islet cell access, the ones that
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make insulin.
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So these adenoviruses can translocate through a leaky gut
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to the breast tissue, disrupt the breast microbiome, increase
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risk of breast cancer.
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Translocate to the cells in the pancreas that make insulin, stop
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them from making insulin, type 1 diabetes.
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And so this is where you know the mix of the good, bad bugs
00:26:50
probiotics, prebiotics, prebiotics that feed, basically
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fiber that feed the good bacteria.
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Uber important because you got to keep the gut from getting
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leaky, otherwise things from the gut start going out and start
00:27:03
messing up the microbiome and other body parts as well.
00:27:06
And they even talk about intestinal microbiome brain axis
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.
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That's kind of that gut brain connection that so many people
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have heard about.
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But there's also connected with breast and pancreas and all
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this different kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: But there's also connected with breast and
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pancreas and all this different kind of stuff.
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Wow, okay, thank you for answering that for me, because I
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think often we read a lot.
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We hear a lot about prebiotics and probiotics.
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We hear about the leaky gut, we hear about the gut and how it
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plays a role in our brain health , and you've allowed us to get
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that true connection.
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Now it's time for the fun part.
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What do you do when you're off time?
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Because I know you have a busy schedule, dr Bostrom.
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So what do you do for fun?
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What do you do for fun?
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Speaker 1: Oh, you're going to be the greatest podcaster ever.
00:27:49
That's a lovely first question.
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Oh, thank you.
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Well, I'm a former Division I tennis player, so I got to do a
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shout out to TCU, ranked number two in the country right now.
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But I do love sports.
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I'm currently down at the NCAA men's basketball tournament in
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Salt Lake with my son and all three of my alma maters are
00:28:09
still in the tournament, so TCU is in the tournament.
00:28:11
That's my undergrad University of Illinois, where I went to
00:28:14
medical school they're in, and University of Colorado, illinois
00:28:22
, where I went to medical school therein, and University of
00:28:23
Colorado, where I did my residency therein.
00:28:23
So it's like probably a once-in-a-lifetime.
00:28:23
Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, you're the best of both worlds
00:28:24
here.
00:28:24
Well, the triple world.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: Oh it is.
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It is great and they're not playing each other so they could
00:28:29
keep winning quite a bit before they ever get together.
00:28:32
And then, because I did my residency in Colorado, been an
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extreme snowboarder for about 30 years Are you serious?
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Top of the mountain as steep as possible.
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So I love being outdoors.
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We actually teach people clinically how to use nature to
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help heal, because there's all these scientific articles about
00:28:53
how nature helps human health and well-being.
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So we actually treat people how to access nature, whether
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they're in a big city can't even get out of their apartment,
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local park, even where we're at out here in the dry part of the
00:29:02
Pacific Northwest, by the Rocky Mountains, the Grand Tetons, we
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have Yellowstone right down the road of an hour.
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But people can utilize nature even with home gardening, and so
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I'd love to be out in nature and we'd love to teach people
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how to use that to heal.
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Speaker 2: That is awesome.
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You know, I'm having some amazing guests and you are the
00:29:21
one that's a snowboarder, so I think you're topping it, so you
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actively snowboard.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, what's that?
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Speaker 2: Do you actively still snowboard?
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Speaker 1: I do.
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I do often, including I do backcountry snowboarding, where
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you have a snowboard.
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You can pop it lengthwise into two parts.
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You flip it over, you put skins on the bottom so you can go
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uphill like cross-country skis almost, and then you get to the
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top of the mountain outside the resorts.
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You flip it back, put it back together as a snowboard, then
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you snowboard down.
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Speaker 2: You know about what it takes to have a healthy
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lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: I know the science that the wonderful researchers
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have done to tell us that information.
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I wouldn't be where I'm at now if it wasn't for the researchers
00:30:02
.
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Give a shout out to University of Illinois, chicago.
00:30:04
They've done some fantastic research and what I tend to find
00:30:08
is there's such great researchers out there learning
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things, telling us things, but it doesn't always get into the
00:30:13
clinical what we do for patients , which is a real shame.
00:30:17
But there's so much great clinical data that we can use to
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help prevent and reverse chronic disease.
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But we have great researchers to give us that info.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me with Dr David Bilstrom.
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This cold press conversation was amazing because he has an
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opportunity to meet the needs of so many patients from a
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functional medicine side while also using conventional medicine
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.
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I do want to let you know that Dr David Bilstrom teaches
00:30:44
practitioners how to reverse and prevent autoimmune disease so
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they can avoid burnout.
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While building and fulfilling practice and waiting lists of
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eager patients.
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He empowers patients with the knowledge and tools to test and
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treat their chronic conditions.
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He is on a mission to change the way autoimmune disease is
00:31:02
treated worldwide, to improve the quality of life for patient,
00:31:06
practitioner and future generations.
00:31:07
He can be located at wwwDrDavidBillstromcom.
00:31:13
I hope you enjoyed this episode of Cold Press Conversations.
00:31:19
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Speaker 1: I've been an extreme snowboarder for about 30 years.
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Are you serious?
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Top of the mountain as steep as possible, and so I love being
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outdoors.
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We actually teach people clinically how to use nature to
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help heal, Because there's all these scientific articles about
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how nature helps human health and well-being.
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So we actually treat people how to access nature, whether
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they're in a big city can't even get out of their apartment,
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local park.
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Jewel White-Williams, a lover of numbers, lists and a good
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Innately you teach Innately, you research and that's what gives
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you the best practice.
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And that's why I was definitely excited to have you join in,
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because one of the things that I read within your biography
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which we're getting ready to talk about in just a second you
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focus on functional medicine.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I just want to say I am Dr Jewel
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White-Williams.
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I have a doctorate in health science from the University of
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Bridgeport very proudly and I have focused on the clinician
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side as well as the education, the higher education side.
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I also have a master's in education leadership.
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I have Dr Billstrom here.
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He is a fellow of the American Academy of Integrative Medicine
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and American Academy of Medical Acupuncture, as well as an
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advanced fellow in anti-aging, regenerative and functional
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medicine.
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Dr David Bilstrom is a quadruple board certified in
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functional and regenerative medicine, integrative medicine,
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physical medicine and rehabilitation and medical
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acupuncture.
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Dr Bilstrom is the director of the International Autoimmune
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Institute and the Bingham Memorial Center for Functional
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Medicine, the first medical center in the country associated
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with a teaching hospital to treat all types of autoimmune
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diseases.
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It is also the first to use nature and its ability to
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improve human health and well-being as an integral part
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of a wellness program.
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Dr Billstrom, once again.
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Thank you so much for joining me here on Cold Press
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Conversations and I believe we're going to have a fun time
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today.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: No problem, you know, earlier we were having just a
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slight discussion so that we can kind of get used to just the
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rhythm of who you and I are, and we talked about how you really
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and truly focus clinically on teaching people how to access
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nature.
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And as an active snowboarder which we'll get into later we
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know that functional medicine is different from conventional
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medicine treatments for autoimmune disease.
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Can you elaborate how your approach is different?
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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So functional medicine ideally identifies why somebody has the
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health issue they do.
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And if we know why somebody has a health issue or why somebody
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might end up with a health issue , know why somebody has a health
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issue or why somebody might end up with a health issue, we're
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in a position to prevent it from happening in the first place or
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reverse the whole process in general.
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And then, because we took care of the why they have whatever
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they have currently, we've set them in a good position so they
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don't keep playing that.
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Why keep pushing them in the wrong direction as time goes on
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and get a second thing and a third thing and a fourth thing
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and a fifth thing, more traditional allopathic medicine,
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a lot of times is taking care of a symptom or two of a
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particular health issue with a medicine, but that medicine
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doesn't necessarily and rarely actually gets a Y.
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they got in the first place and then the Y keeps pushing them
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and now they need a second medicine, or a third and a
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fourth, and they all come with side effects.
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You start getting drug-drug interactions, adverse drug-drug
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interactions, and so ideally, we're in a position really to
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reverse chronic health issues that people may think that
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they're.
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Well, this is what I'm going to have forever.
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Well, not necessarily.
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We can actually have your body reverse the process.
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Speaker 2: You were discussing looking at I always like calling
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it the superficial surface.
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It's like looking at the skin.
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You know how we have the several layers of the skin.
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You're trying to diagnose exactly what's actually
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transpiring with that patient.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in our world in general, we tend to
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make prevention look very complicated but also, at the
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exact same time, very vague.
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And so somebody will say, well, you know, I see this in my
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family and my parents, grandparents, you know, I see
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this in my community, I see this in friends.
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Well, I'd rather not have this, get this, whatever this health
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issue is, how can I prevent from getting these health issues?
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And oh, you need to change how you eat and you need to exercise
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.
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Well, that sounds very vague but very complicated.
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Like, well, what kind of change in exercise, what kind of
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change in food?
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And you know all this where, if you really know the language
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the body speaks, it doesn't have to be hard to prevent things.
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The body is so smart.
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If you can make sure you kind of give it what it needs and
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kind of take away what it doesn't need, it really is in a
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position.
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That's what it does.
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It stays healthy, it resets things, it fixes things, it
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rebalances things, and so a good example I use is a very big
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central mechanism in health, in ill health, is vitamin D levels,
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and ideally it's a simple blood test you can do anywhere, it's
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not complicated, and we want a vitamin D level on a blood test
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between 70 and 90.
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Now most people are very low.
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It's really hard for humans to make vitamin D from sun exposure
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.
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Nowadays.
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Most people think, well, I get it from the sun.
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But lifeguards in San Diego are in the mid 40s.
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They're like 40 points lower than they should be.
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The darker your skin tone, the harder it is to make vitamin D.
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And so many people are under 20 , even single digits.
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It's terrible, but if a woman gets her vitamin D above 60, she
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has automatically decreased her risk of ever getting breast
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cancer by 82%.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, you're talking that scientific data stuff.
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I'm a geek, I'm loving it.
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Go for it.
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Speaker 1: And if a woman's vitamin D is above 50 during
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pregnancy still far from where it should be she's automatically
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decreased the risk of her child ever getting multiple sclerosis
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by 50%.
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Cut in half.
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We'd have 100 less cases of multiple sclerosis every week in
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the US if women just got their vitamin D level above 50 during
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pregnancy.
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A fantastic study out of Northern Finland where they took
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every child born in Northern Finland in 1966.
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And they said okay, we're going to follow you guys for 31 years
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, but for the first year we want half of you guys to take 2
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IU per day first year of life in infants, and the other half we
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don't care what you do, we're going to follow you.
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Well, they saw an almost 90% decreased risk of type 1
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diabetes simply by giving 2 IU per day the first year of
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life, doesn't matter what they did after the first year.
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But this is where we really like to teach people how to prevent
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stuff, including prevention really starts even before
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conceiving a child during a pregnancy.
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Hey, we can.
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You know, 50% decreased risk of MS just by getting your vitamin
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D up a little bit and first year of life.
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Oh my gosh, that set the system well and what they saw was that
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these kids that got the vitamin D first year of life.
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They didn't end up getting schizophrenia.
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It's so great for brain health, not just immune health, but
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they didn't end up getting schizophrenia either.
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And it's like, oh my goodness, with all the brain stuff we have
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going on nowadays and the autoimmune stuff we have going
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on nowadays, just doing a few things early in life can set the
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system for the rest of that person's life.
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But because we know so much of this stuff, even if somebody's
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got a well-established chronic health issue, we're in a
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position to reverse it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you just gave a lot of gems here.
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Pardon, I'm Jules, so I kind of use that word.
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Speaker 1: I like that.
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You gave a lot of gems.
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Speaker 2: So when I read some more of your biography, you
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mentioned the importance of resetting your epigenetics
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before the age of 19 to prevent these chronic diseases.
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And what you've just done is given us some true gems, talking
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about scientific data.
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And I'm going to just repeat it , and I want you to correct me
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if I'm wrong, because I want people to understand that what
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you're talking about has to be done first with a professional,
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someone who understands functional medicine you have to
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look at, or the other physician needs to look at all of your
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levels.
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You just can't go out there and go to the local drug store and
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get your vitamin D.
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But you were telling us some serious information the vitamin
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D levels must be between 70 and 90.
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Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: That's optimal.
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Now, if you have Parkinson's, you probably need to be above
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100.
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If you have cardiovascular disease you've already had a
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heart attack and stroke you probably need to be above 95.
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But the research out there says we probably need to be above 75
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in general to cover all the bases as well as we possibly can
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, even though even getting the levels up higher than they would
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be without it, like just getting above 60, well, you're
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not optimal, but you've already decreased breast cancer risk by
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82%, so a little bit can go a long way, but you're right, if
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it gets optimal, that's when we cover all the bases as best we
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can.
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There's a few more gems, I think, in that one too.
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Speaker 2: It was?
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How'd you know?
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I just see it in my face.
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So this is what I have from you , dr Billstrom.
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You talk about the different types of diseases that from just
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vitamin D alone.
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We haven't even got to the other amazing information that
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you've given us.
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But, if I'm correct, you mentioned brain health.
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You talked about the psychotic episodes that some people have
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because of psychological issues.
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You discussed type one diabetes , breast cancer.
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Cardiovascular Vitamin D plays a role in so many areas of our
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body makeup.
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Is that the only vitamin that you tend to focus on when you're
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looking at resetting the epigenetics of an individual?
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Speaker 1: Well, if you get at the real big central mechanisms,
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the body has a tendency to fix a lot of things all by itself.
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A patient may come in to see me with chronic health issues.
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They've done so much homework.
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They've read, they've listened to people talk.
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They come in with like 50 different supplements and I can
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look at their 50 different supplements and I'm like boy,
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this person has really done their homework.
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Every one of the things that they're on makes perfect sense,
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given what they have going on, but what they're missing is the
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central mechanism.
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They still can't get where they need to go, even though
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everything they're doing is logical, makes sense
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scientifically.
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So this is where we talk.
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If you can really get these central mechanisms though we
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talk about seven central mechanisms then your body
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basically kind of fixes everything else, and so vitamin
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D is very important.
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I referenced my respect for the researchers at University of
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Illinois, chicago, because they do some really neat stuff,
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including the ones that figured out about vitamin D receptors,
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and so one of the things that makes vitamin D so important is
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every cell in our body has receptors for vitamin D, so it
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can attach and tell the cell what to do, basically, just like
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every cell in the body has receptors for insulin, so the
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pancreas makes insulin attaches to the cells so that we can
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control blood sugar.
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But people are quite familiar with insulin resistance.
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Where the receptor become resistant, insulin can't attach.
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It's almost like you don't even have insulin.
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Then you start going to prediabetes diabetes.
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Well, it turns out the vitamin D receptors in the gut are even
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more numerous than vitamin D receptors anywhere else in the
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body.
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And the researchers go oh my goodness, this is why vitamin D
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is so important for the gut.
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There's more vitamin D receptors in the gut than
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anyplace else.
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But these vitamin D receptors become resistant to vitamin D
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and this is where you can have all the vitamin D in the world,
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just like all the insulin in the world.
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It can't attach and do the work .
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Well, this is a super central mechanism for not only gut
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health but everything, and so when you can fix that vitamin D
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receptor resistance in the gut, make it sensitive again.
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The original researchers in 2018 from University of Illinois,
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chicago, said oh my gosh, this is what you want to fix in order
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to turn around all autoimmune disease of the gut, ulcerative
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colitis, crohn's disease, get rid of recurrent H pylori and C
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diff infections of the gut.
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But, oh my goodness, this looks like exactly what you probably
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want to do for everything.
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And they named off all these things.
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Well then, six months later, another article came out.
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They go, oh my goodness, you fixed the gut by fixing the
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vitamin D receptor resistance.
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It is a nuclear weapon against metabolic syndrome.
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Quote, unquote on the title nuclear insulin and blood sugar,
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abnormal weight gain, triglycerides going up and two
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thirdsthirds of Americans are pre-diabetic.
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Here's a nuclear weapon against it.
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Well, all this research since 2018 is like, oh my goodness, it
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does work for this, this and this.
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And so you mentioned brain health before.
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So, like two years ago, harvard Journal of Psychiatry came out
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and go well, if you can fix the intestinal microbiome this way,
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the mix of the good, bad bugs in the gut.
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And I'm like, oh my goodness, that's what happens when you fix
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the vitamin D receptor resistance.
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They say, oh, you can use this to major depressive disorder.
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It works so much for brain chemistry.
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And then another psychiatric journal six months later goes,
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oh well, if you can fix the intestinal microbiome this way,
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I go, oh, that's the same thing.
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It changes personalities.
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People become more outgoing and more social.
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It has such this impact on brain chemistry.
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So it turns out this is a really big mechanism having the right
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amount of vitamin D, but having vitamin D receptors that are
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sensitive including you mentioned epigenetics, including
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you mentioned epigenetics and we have a lot of bad genes in
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our cells.
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We got to turn them off.
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A lot of good genes we got to turn on.
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So it's not what genes you have necessarily, it's which ones
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get turned on and turned off, and so things like you know,
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meditation, yoga, getting out nature, uh, deep breathing,
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repetitive prayer it works through epigenetics.
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It flips genes on and off.
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Harvard did a lovely study about 16 years ago about that.
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But we talk about things like oh, we have this epidemic of
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young people, but also adults now, with type 1 diabetes.
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Well, there's genes that may predispose people to type one
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diabetes.
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Yeah, okay, but how do you turn them off, right?
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Well, it turns out vitamin D attaches to vitamin D receptors.
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Vitamin D receptors release a protein called vitamin D.
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Responsive elements that attach to the receptors on the genes
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that code for type one diabetes turns them all off.
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Receptors on the genes that code for type 1 diabetes turns
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them all off.
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Every gene that codes for type 1 diabetes gets turned off by
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vitamin D and vitamin D receptor health.
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This is why they call these genes that code for type 1
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diabetes, vitamin D responsive genes.
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And I'm like, oh my gosh, what a central mechanism, not only
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for the things that you see in a lot of you know studies about
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health, but we're like, oh my goodness, this is working
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through genes.
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This is turning off the genes that try to push us the wrong
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direction.
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Including type 1 diabetes used to be considered well, that's
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childhood diabetes.
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Adults get insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes but now so many
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adults' pancreases stop making insulin.
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They actually need insulin.
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Oh my goodness, we can actually shut those genes off and do so
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many things when we kind of know how the body's language works
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and this epigenetics, how to flip off the bad and turn on the
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good.
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Speaker 2: Whoa, okay, yeah.
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So you mentioned several studies that have assisted you
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in this process to ensure that you're meeting the needs of your
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patients, and you mentioned a study from Harvard that piqued
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my interest because it sounds like you also use some of the
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tools that they speak of with treating your patients?
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Did I hear you correctly?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and this is where the researchers are
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doing such beautiful work, but it doesn't really get into the
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clinical setting as much as they should.
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So the Harvard research over 16 years ago, there was two
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previous studies the second one was in India that suggested that
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meditation might work through epigenetics, flipping off the
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bad genes, turning on the good genes, which basically is how
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you want to, you know, prevent or reverse any chronic health
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issue.
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Right, because when the genes are flipped the wrong way, the
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genes, the DNA, are telling the cells the wrong information and
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then cells start doing the wrong thing.
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You start flipping them the right way.
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Well, it's happening in the entire body, every cell in the
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body at the same time.
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Speaker 2: So now the cells are being told the right information
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.
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Speaker 1: So this is why it can impact so many things.
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So Harvard said well, that's interesting, we're going to do
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the quintessential study to see if this is true.
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So we're going to take our best research, the very best
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researcher at Harvard, to get on this.
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So they took this large group of people that have been in some
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kind of relaxation, something meditation, deep breathing,
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progressive muscle relaxation, visual imagery, repetitive
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prayer you know all these kinds of things every day for between
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three and 28 years.
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Took this other group that had never done this stuff and they
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checked their epigenetics.
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Well, what they found between the two groups is that there was
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2000 genes that were turned on and off differently between the
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two groups, 2 genes expressed differently between
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the two groups, and they go oh, this is fascinating.
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So now what we're going to do is teach this group that never
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done this stuff.
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We're going to teach them how to meditate and we're going to
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ask them to meditate for 30 minutes a day, five days a week
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for eight weeks, and then we're going to retest them.
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Speaker 2: Eight weeks later they retested them.
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Speaker 1: Well, human nature being what it is, here's Harvard
00:19:20
, top researcher, top research area.
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They can't get people to do it right.
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So they said we just need you for eight weeks to do 30 minutes
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five days a week On average.
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The people did it 15 minutes three times a week.
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So I always kind of tell my patients who am I to expect you
00:19:28
to do exactly what I ask you to do?
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Harvard can't do that, even for eight weeks.
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But that's okay, the body's so smart, we don't need perfection.
00:19:37
So what they found is, with just this little bit of meditation
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for eight weeks, they retested the new meditators, those 2
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genes that were expressed additionally between the two
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groups.
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Now 400 in the new meditators had flipped to match the
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long-term meditators.
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And they go oh, that's fascinating.
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What do those 400 genes do?
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They code for inflammation.
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And Harvard says oh, my goodness, this is what you need
00:20:05
to do if you're going to keep away the inflammation that
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drives chronic health issues.
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This is exactly what you want to do for everything.
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And they named off cardiovascular depression,
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anxiety, autoimmune cancer, all this kind of stuff.
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Because this truly is what you need to do if you're going to
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stay healthy is just optimize epigenetics and truly, the body
00:20:23
is so smart.
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Here they only did it for eight weeks.
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For me, I'm like, well, I knew this was going to turn out this
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way, because I've seen it done with other sort of interventions
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, so why would meditation do this way?
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But I thought the main thing was it only took them eight
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weeks.
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It's not like you got to do this stuff for like eight years
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and they only did it for 15 minutes three times a week.
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You don't need to be perfect.
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The body is so smart.
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You give it a little bit, oh my gosh, does it just run with it
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and it impacts everything at the same time.
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Speaker 2: Oh, wow, all right, so this meditation is through
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Harvard, even though they were focusing on 30 minutes, five
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days, eight weeks.
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All of us know who focus on research.
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Unfortunately, there are some variables that actually don't go
00:21:02
all the way we like it to go, and so it ended up being that,
00:21:07
when they reviewed the information, people were doing
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closer to 15 minutes three times a week, and it affected the
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epigenetics assisted 400 of the genes focusing on the
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inflammation.
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That helped correct it, helped with inflammation, which, when
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you named some of the areas that it affected, which involved
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inflammation, it hit some of that metabolic part too, the
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metabolic syndrome.
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Loving this, okay, told you I'm a geek, I'm a research.
00:21:47
Then what also came to be is that you started talking about
00:21:53
the gut health, and when you mentioned gut health, it brought
00:21:58
up so many things.
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When we talk about gut health, we have prebiotics, probiotics.
00:22:03
If I could just steal away a little bit of your time, do you
00:22:07
mind helping us understand how, when you talked about the
00:22:13
epigenetics, metabolic syndrome, vitamin D, is there any way
00:22:19
that that relates to how you elaborate on your statement
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dealing with aches and pains of aging, where you make it very
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clear you shouldn't have any aches, you shouldn't have any
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pain until you're 90.
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Am I correct?
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Speaker 1: That's correct.
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Speaker 2: Everything you've mentioned literally focuses on
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and correlates with aches, pains that people are having and,
00:22:46
ladies and gentlemen, Dr Bilstrom is letting us know that
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we shouldn't have any aches and pains until we're at the age of
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90.
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How does that even work?
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Like is what you're talking about?
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Literally help with acquiring the aches and pains only until
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you get 90?
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Speaker 1: You want to remember, every health issue comes from
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the same thing.
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It just shows up differently in different people, and so the
00:23:09
bigger statement, I think, is nothing is age-related until at
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least 90.
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If you have a health issue, health challenge, and you're not
00:23:16
90, you're younger than 90, it's not age.
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Even though people kind of think this, I get people in
00:23:21
their 20s with all these health issues.
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I think I'm getting old.
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Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, no, no, no.
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That's not how it works.
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Speaker 1: You're in the 20s, but I get people in their 50s
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and 70s that say the same thing.
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I'm like, no, that's not how it works.
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We know so so much about human longevity nowadays that truly
00:23:35
people should be able to live happy, healthy lives until at
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least 90.
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Now the data suggests it might even be later than that.
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But we've kind of historically said, well, if you've got some
00:23:44
health issue before 90, it's something, it's coming from
00:23:47
someplace, but it's not age.
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But we should be able to figure it out and turn it around.
00:23:50
So the same thing with aches and pains could be brain fog, it
00:23:54
could be metabolic syndrome, it could be gut issues, it could be
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skin issues, it could be eye issues.
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You know all this kind of stuff .
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Cardiovascular disease, it's all.
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Inflammation Just depends on where your weak spot tends to be
00:24:07
and that's where your inflammation is going to create
00:24:09
a chronic health issue.
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And the gut is such a central mechanism with all this stuff,
00:24:14
including what they call the intestinal microbiome, that
00:24:18
makes the good bad bugs in the gut.
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We want a lot of good, not a lot of bad.
00:24:21
So that's where you kind of talk about prebiotics and
00:24:24
probiotics.
00:24:24
The probiotics are basically good bacteria that we could take
00:24:28
orally to try to build up our good as we're trying to get rid
00:24:31
of the bad, and the intestinal microbiome is the first one that
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people really start paying attention to.
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But what's important to know is that every body part we have has
00:24:41
its own unique microbiome.
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The palm of our dominant hand has a different microbiome than
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the palm of our non-dominant hand.
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Back of the hand, palm, elbow crease.
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The intestinal microbiome actually starts developing
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before a child's born.
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We used to think the child, when they're born, has a child's
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born.
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We used to think the child, when they're born, has a sterile
00:24:58
gut.
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But actually good or bad bugs cross from the mother to the
00:25:02
placenta, across the placenta to the baby even before birth.
00:25:05
They're starting to set up the intestinal microbiome even
00:25:08
before birth.
00:25:09
Now, within about a couple of weeks, there's a thousand new
00:25:13
ideally good bugs that now have populated the baby's gut.
00:25:16
So really quickly it builds, but it's already there from the
00:25:19
beginning.
00:25:19
This is where vaginal delivery is better than C-section
00:25:23
delivery.
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This is where breastfeeding is better than formula feeding
00:25:26
because it really gets the microbiome going but it really
00:25:29
forms quite quickly.
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But every body part has its own microbiome and that body part is
00:25:34
not going to be as healthy if that microbiome is disrupted.
00:25:36
And so one of the things that makes the gut so important you
00:25:40
want to have a good mix in the gut, but that'll keep the gut
00:25:43
healthy and it won't develop what they call leaky gut, which
00:25:50
is more technically, an intestinal permeability disorder
00:25:51
.
00:25:51
So there's these tight junctions in the wall of the gut
00:25:53
that only let some things in but not other things.
00:25:55
So they would let in vitamins and minerals, they would let in
00:25:58
nutrients.
00:25:58
They're not going to let bad bugs from the gut through the
00:26:01
wall into the bloodstream.
00:26:03
You know you have bad bugs that get kind of crap that needs to
00:26:06
be pooped in the toilet.
00:26:07
Well, it shouldn't get through the leaky gut in the bloodstream
00:26:10
.
00:26:10
But there's certain viruses, for example, like adenoviruses,
00:26:16
and these adenoviruses with a leaky gut can translocate from
00:26:20
the intestine through the leakiness in the bloodstream and
00:26:22
go to different body parts.
00:26:23
Then they're starting to talk a lot about these intestinal
00:26:25
microbiome, breast access, for example, or intestinal
00:26:29
microbiome, pancreatic beta islet cell access, the ones that
00:26:33
make insulin.
00:26:34
So these adenoviruses can translocate through a leaky gut
00:26:37
to the breast tissue, disrupt the breast microbiome, increase
00:26:41
risk of breast cancer.
00:26:42
Translocate to the cells in the pancreas that make insulin, stop
00:26:45
them from making insulin, type 1 diabetes.
00:26:47
And so this is where you know the mix of the good, bad bugs
00:26:50
probiotics, prebiotics, prebiotics that feed, basically
00:26:55
fiber that feed the good bacteria.
00:26:56
Uber important because you got to keep the gut from getting
00:26:59
leaky, otherwise things from the gut start going out and start
00:27:03
messing up the microbiome and other body parts as well.
00:27:06
And they even talk about intestinal microbiome brain axis
00:27:09
.
00:27:09
That's kind of that gut brain connection that so many people
00:27:12
have heard about.
00:27:12
But there's also connected with breast and pancreas and all
00:27:15
this different kind of stuff.
00:27:15
Speaker 2: But there's also connected with breast and
00:27:16
pancreas and all this different kind of stuff.
00:27:18
Wow, okay, thank you for answering that for me, because I
00:27:20
think often we read a lot.
00:27:23
We hear a lot about prebiotics and probiotics.
00:27:26
We hear about the leaky gut, we hear about the gut and how it
00:27:30
plays a role in our brain health , and you've allowed us to get
00:27:35
that true connection.
00:27:36
Now it's time for the fun part.
00:27:39
What do you do when you're off time?
00:27:41
Because I know you have a busy schedule, dr Bostrom.
00:27:43
So what do you do for fun?
00:27:45
What do you do for fun?
00:27:46
Speaker 1: Oh, you're going to be the greatest podcaster ever.
00:27:49
That's a lovely first question.
00:27:50
Oh, thank you.
00:27:52
Well, I'm a former Division I tennis player, so I got to do a
00:27:57
shout out to TCU, ranked number two in the country right now.
00:28:00
But I do love sports.
00:28:01
I'm currently down at the NCAA men's basketball tournament in
00:28:05
Salt Lake with my son and all three of my alma maters are
00:28:09
still in the tournament, so TCU is in the tournament.
00:28:11
That's my undergrad University of Illinois, where I went to
00:28:14
medical school they're in, and University of Colorado, illinois
00:28:22
, where I went to medical school therein, and University of
00:28:23
Colorado, where I did my residency therein.
00:28:23
So it's like probably a once-in-a-lifetime.
00:28:23
Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, you're the best of both worlds
00:28:24
here.
00:28:24
Well, the triple world.
00:28:26
Speaker 1: Oh it is.
00:28:26
It is great and they're not playing each other so they could
00:28:29
keep winning quite a bit before they ever get together.
00:28:32
And then, because I did my residency in Colorado, been an
00:28:36
extreme snowboarder for about 30 years Are you serious?
00:28:40
Top of the mountain as steep as possible.
00:28:42
So I love being outdoors.
00:28:43
We actually teach people clinically how to use nature to
00:28:47
help heal, because there's all these scientific articles about
00:28:53
how nature helps human health and well-being.
00:28:54
So we actually treat people how to access nature, whether
00:28:55
they're in a big city can't even get out of their apartment,
00:28:58
local park, even where we're at out here in the dry part of the
00:29:02
Pacific Northwest, by the Rocky Mountains, the Grand Tetons, we
00:29:06
have Yellowstone right down the road of an hour.
00:29:08
But people can utilize nature even with home gardening, and so
00:29:12
I'd love to be out in nature and we'd love to teach people
00:29:15
how to use that to heal.
00:29:17
Speaker 2: That is awesome.
00:29:18
You know, I'm having some amazing guests and you are the
00:29:21
one that's a snowboarder, so I think you're topping it, so you
00:29:27
actively snowboard.
00:29:28
Speaker 1: Thank you, what's that?
00:29:30
Speaker 2: Do you actively still snowboard?
00:29:32
Speaker 1: I do.
00:29:32
I do often, including I do backcountry snowboarding, where
00:29:36
you have a snowboard.
00:29:37
You can pop it lengthwise into two parts.
00:29:40
You flip it over, you put skins on the bottom so you can go
00:29:43
uphill like cross-country skis almost, and then you get to the
00:29:45
top of the mountain outside the resorts.
00:29:47
You flip it back, put it back together as a snowboard, then
00:29:50
you snowboard down.
00:29:51
Speaker 2: You know about what it takes to have a healthy
00:29:52
lifestyle.
00:29:53
Speaker 1: I know the science that the wonderful researchers
00:29:56
have done to tell us that information.
00:29:59
I wouldn't be where I'm at now if it wasn't for the researchers
00:30:02
.
00:30:02
Give a shout out to University of Illinois, chicago.
00:30:04
They've done some fantastic research and what I tend to find
00:30:08
is there's such great researchers out there learning
00:30:10
things, telling us things, but it doesn't always get into the
00:30:13
clinical what we do for patients , which is a real shame.
00:30:17
But there's so much great clinical data that we can use to
00:30:20
help prevent and reverse chronic disease.
00:30:22
But we have great researchers to give us that info.
00:30:24
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me with Dr David Bilstrom.
00:30:27
This cold press conversation was amazing because he has an
00:30:33
opportunity to meet the needs of so many patients from a
00:30:36
functional medicine side while also using conventional medicine
00:30:40
.
00:30:40
I do want to let you know that Dr David Bilstrom teaches
00:30:44
practitioners how to reverse and prevent autoimmune disease so
00:30:47
they can avoid burnout.
00:30:48
While building and fulfilling practice and waiting lists of
00:30:52
eager patients.
00:30:53
He empowers patients with the knowledge and tools to test and
00:30:57
treat their chronic conditions.
00:30:58
He is on a mission to change the way autoimmune disease is
00:31:02
treated worldwide, to improve the quality of life for patient,
00:31:06
practitioner and future generations.
00:31:07
He can be located at wwwDrDavidBillstromcom.
00:31:13
I hope you enjoyed this episode of Cold Press Conversations.
00:31:19
If you love this episode as much as I did, I need you to
00:31:22
head on over and subscribe so you never miss an episode.
00:31:26
This is Dr Jules signing off to health and cognitive happiness.
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